Friday, November 13, 2009

OPEN THREAD: 2Ls and OGI - Checking In

"Of course, these callback lunches are mostly a formality, Michael. We've already decided not to give you an offer."

So Fall OCI and Callbacks season for 2Ls looking to go to a national law firm has come and gone. How'd it go? Were things actually has bad as everyone was predicting, or did most people who wanted to work at a firm come away from the process with at least one offer? We're interested in compiling some informal data on the subject, so 2Ls, please answer our poll (below), and tell your story in the comments. Did you get what expected out of the process? Did you find career services to be useful? What, if anything, would you do differently?



For those who have come up empty-handed so far, you have our sympathies. Find us around and UVA Law Blog will buy you a glass of the finest, cheapest beer in the land, or failing that take you on a trip through the lackluster KFC buffet. There are many paths to success though, so look into public interest stuff and start applying for grants early. (Even if you missed PILA's fall application deadline you'll still be able to apply again in the Spring).

41 comments:

Tupac Shakur said...

I give a holler to my sisters on welfare; 2Pac cares, if don't nobody else care. And uhh, I know biglaw like to beat ya down a lot, when you come around the block partners clown a lot. But please don't cry, dry your eyes, never let up. Forgive but don't forget, girl keep your head up. And when partner tells you you ain't nothin' don't belieeeeve him. And if he can't learn to love you you should leeeeeeave him. Cause sista you don't need him.

(Keep ya head up!) Oooh chiiiiild, things are gonna get easier.

(Keep ya head up!) Oooooh chiiild, things are gonna get brighter ohhh oh.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

FML indeed.

Anonymous said...

<3 Eli

Anonymous said...

Good grades. No job. FLS.

Anonymous said...

2Pac cares guys.

Really... he does.

Anonymous said...

This survey will be horribly skewed. Any 2Ls who frequent this blog almost certainly don't have the grades to land a job ITE.

Anonymous said...

How are your grades, 8:38? Because you frequent this blog, shall I assume you are one of the people you describe?

Anonymous said...

Took survey, have good grades, have no job.

Anonymous said...

What's the point of two "got nothing" choices? It just skews the visual perception that 17% of respondents don't have jobs.

Anonymous said...

Good grades, no OGI job, but worked with Career Services and got biglaw eventually. Dean Lawson = super helpful.

Anonymous said...

5:46, I like your sarcasm.

Anonymous said...

Good grades (top 25%) and no offers. Career services has been helpful, but I am losing hope.

Anonymous said...

what markets did you look in?

Anonymous said...

Below median grades, landed an offer from a firm in Richmond, not what I'd consider big law, but not really a "small firm" either, although that's what I picked from the survey. Good luck out there!

Anonymous said...

10:10 - C&B?

Anonymous said...

Anybody have any sense of whether relevant pre-law school work experience turned out to be more important than grades this year?

My limited personal experiences indicates that having meaningful work experience was very important this time around. Especially for people trying to do corporate/transactional work.

Also, here's a more meaningful break down of the survey, taking out the "not a UVA 2L" category, and combining the two no job categories.



Big Law 49.6%
Small Law 10.2%
Public Interest 5.1%
No Job 35.1%

Assuming this is representative, it strikes me as relatively good news. It could be a lot worse.

Please remember that this breakdown is only accurate as of Monday afternoon (11/1 servey 6). The figures will change if more people respond to the survey (duh).

Anonymous said...

1:29 here - my post should read "Please remember that this breakdown is only accurate as of Monday afternoon (11/16)." Not sure how a random, misspelled, "survey" got in there.

Anonymous said...

I'm among the lucky who got an offer, but not sure how you can spin 35% no-job at a T-10 school as "good news." For $40K/year that is horrible news. Those 35% should ask for their money back.

Anonymous said...

You gotta look at things relative to the legal market as a whole and peer schools. Objectively it sucks, in context, 50% of the class in big law summer associate positions is probably as good as any law school outside of the HYS block is doing.

Fucked up time to be in law school.

Anonymous said...

Work experience schmirk schmexperience. Grades were it, I think - even BIGGER factor than other years.

Anonymous said...

10:10 here - not C&B, but something similar. No one really seemed impressed w/ my work experience, including this firm. I don't have great grades & I don't think I interview exceptionally well, but I used some GPA/offer lists floating around from CS to make my picks for OGI and I think being realistic about my chances helped some. In the future, CS needs to distribute that info to everyone and not be so secretive with it.

Anonymous said...

I can tell you for a FACT that work experience is highly valued by the top firms. There have been articles all over the place on the WSJ LawBlog, American Lawyer, etc about how firms want associates who have the poise, business savvy, maturity, and perspective that comes with a few years of w/e. And yes -- they'd rather have someone with those attributes than some "legal rain man" who spotted a few more issues on the torts exam.

Anonymous said...

And I can tell you I for a FACT that your few years of work experience won't mean dick to top firms unless you have impressive grades to go along with it.

Anonymous said...

Well put me in the FML category. 2 final CB rejections in a week. Though this law diploma is going to look good stuffed away in a box.

Anonymous said...

1:52--approximate GPA?

Anonymous said...

around median

Anonymous said...

~3.3 will get you nothing, ~3.7 will get you in NYC V5... what's it looking like for the spread between those two?

Anonymous said...

~3.3 will get you plenty if you're not a social retard and can carry a conversation. I'm at 3.15, 5 CBs and 2 offers, and have received subsequent interview offers outside of OGI which I turned down. Don't want to make anyone feel bad, but while top grades will get you through the door they certainly won't get you hired by themselves. Being able to relate to people and (frankly) looking the part are big factors, whether you want to admit that or not. From talking with classmates, it seems people with mediocre grades did, on average, about equally well as those on LR in terms of offers. Only difference is the amount of OGI interviews they had to start with.

Anonymous said...

For me I'm pretty sure it was my few years of work experience that helped land my job. I have ~3.25 and was trying to get into the tough DC market. I had 9 OGI interviews, 3 CBs and 2 offers. Good luck everyone!

Anonymous said...

FWIW - just barely top 1/3rd grades. Four callbacks, 2 offers, one reject (from mid-law), and one I never heard from because I took myself out of consideration after the offers came in. This was all from OGI where I had 13 screener interviews.

Am heading to BigLaw in New York. Had two years of semi-relevant work experience before law school, which I am sure made a difference.

Anonymous said...

I'd agree that personality was very important. I have a 3.7+, and didn't do nearly as well as many of my peers [4 callbacks, 2 offers (both V25)]. Pretty sure the reason I didn't get as many callbacks is because I'm a fairly poor interviewer (not a social retard, just not a particular exciting person).

Anonymous said...

10:16

URM?

I haven't heard of a single person under 3.3 with a firm job.

Anonymous said...

previous inquiry was for 10:46

Anonymous said...

10:46 hot chick?

Anonymous said...

10:46 here. Nope, just a white guy. Do have some work experience. Otherwise nothing in my background is particularly outstanding or warranting of preferential treatment. And if you haven't heard of anyone under 3.3 with a firm job, then you simply haven't been talking to the right people. There are plenty.

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Anonymous said...

How about a new poll on 3Ls... have people found jobs (law firms, clerkships, government, etc)? I'd be interested to see how we are all faring.

Anonymous said...

9:06 -- I know many people below median with jobs.

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