Tuesday, December 01, 2009

GUS - Too Stacked for Their Own Good? (Or Does NGSL Need a Salary Cap / More Parity?)

Maybe Al "we just didn't have the talent" Groh should have taken a recruiting lesson from GUS, who will play for the NGSL championship for the umpteenth time in two short hours. A tipster points out the North Ground Bombers' absolute dominance of NGSL in the past decade or so:
Co-Rec Division Champions:
Fall 03 GUS
Spring 04 GUS
Fall 04 GUS
Spring 05 GUS
Fall 05 Act Like You've Been There
Spring 06 GUS
Fall 06 ?
Spring 07 ?
Fall 07 GUS
Spring 08 Frosted Tips
Fall 08 GUS
Spring 09 K-Lite
For anyone counting that's (at least) seven titles in the last twelve seasons. Good scouting, lots of creatine, or both? UVA Law Blog humbly suggests that maybe The Junta should get the first draft pick (i.e. first chance at scouring studly 1Ls) in order to instill some much needed parity into the league.

EDIT: The Bombers also won last night over Shawty's Little Law Review (similar team as K-Lite) to bring home another title.

81 comments:

SwampPoodle said...

GUS defeats Shawty Little's for the win. And looked good doing it.

Anonymous said...

I'm curious - about what % of the school actually cares, or even knows anything, about NGSL? Gotta be less than 1%

Anonymous said...

What's NGSL?

-2L

Anonymous said...

What's Gus?

Anonymous said...

"I'm curious - about what % of the school actually cares, or even knows anything, about NGSL? Gotta be less than 1%"

Um, well, every 1L section has a team, as do transfers and LLMs. What percentage of the school was, at least at one time, a 1L, transfer, or LLM?

Anonymous said...

Who is the batter pictured above? He has terrible form.

Anonymous said...

11:41 -- As a 1L I played on my team, but I never cared about GUS (or knew what it was) or NGSL 1L year. And I haven't played at all since. So I think you are confusing two totally different things.

And I'm pretty good at softball (not GUS-MAZING! just solid), but the way its played here just sucks, with two many people caring far too much. For example, I was happy to play on my firm team this summer, it was far more enjoyable.

Anonymous said...

So if you don't count the 1L section teamsm where participation is practically forced, can someone guess how many people play softball? Keep in mind that most people on NGSL and GUS play on 2 or 3, often 4, teams. Answer is not that many . . .

Anonymous said...

"So if you don't count the 1L section teamsm where participation is practically forced, can someone guess how many people play softball? Keep in mind that most people on NGSL and GUS play on 2 or 3, often 4, teams. Answer is not that many . . ."

A lot of people play. And there are some competitive teams that don't have ngsl cool kids on them. they don't win out, tho, obviously.

Anonymous said...

lol at "ngsl cool kids"! This isn't high school (where being athletic was cool b/c it at least led to full rides, hot dates, and professional sports prospects)!

Anonymous said...

this ISN'T high school??? then what was that prom event we had just a few weeks ago?

Anonymous said...

This blog sucks.

SwampPoodle said...

Yeh guys, I am jealous too.

Anonymous said...

Haha the person defending NGSL is hilar.

Anonymous said...

The bulk of NGSL teams are filled with people who got cut from their HS athletic teams but still think they're good at sports. This explains the over-the-top competitiveness and generally crappy play. Kind of like how the kids who plan all the UVA Law social events were the ones who never got drunk in college.

Anonymous said...

A. This is middle school, NOT high school
B. The kid who says no one knows about NGSL ... you should learn how to spell and what the meaning of proper grammar is since I assume you spend all your time studying instead of having fun (who DOES that?!)
C. Prom is in the spring. That last event we had was just homecoming... seriously

Anonymous said...

Aw man, keep the hilarious rage coming! The grammar accusation is amazing - pot, meet kettle!

Anonymous said...

can someone please explain to me why so many people on this blog bash NGSL? is it really that big of a deal? it's gotten old listening to some of you gripe about an organization that you apparently "don't care" about. get over it, already.

-non-NGSL, who thinks it's "ok" to be friends with both NGSLers and non-NGSLers.

Anonymous said...

"So if you don't count the 1L section teamsm where participation is practically forced, can someone guess how many people play softball?"

A lot of organizations put together teams for fun. We lost every game this season and has a blast. Go Junta.

Anonymous said...

It's sort of hilarious that posts about softball produce so much (also hilarious) squabbling in the comments.

Anonymous said...

I don't care about seeing NGSL on here, but doesn't it have its own website? I think two seems excessive, frankly I think one post a month is pushing the boundaries.

Anonymous said...

lol 7:28 - The fact that NGSL has its own website means...that it has some sort of proprietary claim to discussions about softball? Seriously, grow the hell up, you're a huge tool.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm.. I'm a huge tool, I'm not the one getting a hard on for each slight reference to myself I can find on the uvalawblog, NGSL website, or ANG. That's fine though, keep patting yourself on the back.

If I wanted to read about NGSL I'd go to their website, but since I don't I give a shit I don't. I'd like to continue to come here so I can read insider investigations on KFC's food quality or where some Professor's course evaluations are instead of be force fed another COMPETITIVE SOFTBALL update.

Anonymous said...

Coming from a man who gets heated, everyone needs to calm down.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha 8:37

J. Crew Model said...

Thank you for appreciating my work 8:37.

Anonymous said...

Competitive softball = huge joke

Anonymous said...

What is ANG? Worth reading?

Anonymous said...

This post was worth repeating:

"The bulk of NGSL teams are filled with people who got cut from their HS athletic teams but still think they're good at sports. This explains the over-the-top competitiveness and generally crappy play. Kind of like how the kids who plan all the UVA Law social events were the ones who never got drunk in college."

Anonymous said...

I think what scares me most is I may be friends with some of these crybabies who post here. "Force fed competitive softball updates"? C'mon dude. Find another blog then and get over yourself.

Anonymous said...

11:42 here, addressing 11:17:

considering a fair number of the members of Gus played NCAA sports, i'm just going to point out that you're wrong.

jealousy is a wasted emotion.

Anonymous said...

WTF is GUS?

And no one in law school is actually "cool." If you were smart enough to get in here, chances are you spent more time overachieving in the library than on a softball field or a frat party.

NGSL is probably the reason UVa has the "beer and softball and douchebag" reputation - acting like you're the shit because you were never "cool" before and law school is your only chance to feel superior to others for the first time, and go around acting as if you "own" the school? Kind of sad. Especially when you're in a professional school, not college, and you should be old enough to know better.

justincredible said...

i'm cool.

Anonymous said...

"And no one in law school is actually "cool." If you were smart enough to get in here, chances are you spent more time overachieving in the library than on a softball field or a frat party."

... OR ...

you're just good at standardized tests.

- underrachiever who spent lots of time at frat parties at mediocre state school

Anonymous said...

8:45 is right -- let's be honest, most colleges grade-inflate like nobody's business (no B+ mean there!) and combine a halfway-decent GPA with a good LSAT score (which can be gained through pure intelligence as much as preparation) and there's no reason at all to assume most people here spent all their time in the library.

Anonymous said...

11:42, 4:04-

The last thing I am is "jealous" of the freakin NGSL! I got the whole daily beer and mediocre sports thing out of my system in college. I came to law school to get a good JOB (which I have - Vault 5), make a few friends, chill, and maybe take up golf -- NOT to live out my fantasy of being the "coolest kid in school."

It's hilarious that you would think that I (or anyone else) would be jealous of some washed-up "jock" who happens to hit a slow-pitch softball 200 feet (but who likely hasn't found a decent job -- which is, like, the whole point of law school -- b/c he spent too much time hitting balls his 1L year).

Anonymous said...

"considering a fair number of the members of Gus played NCAA sports, i'm just going to point out that you're wrong.

jealousy is a wasted emotion."


Funny, yet we're all at the same school now. Guess those NCAA sports didn't help you out too much...

Anonymous said...

the real embarrassment of ngsl is not that it's an organization dedicated to softball or event that it's exclusive per se, it's that the organization doesn't count as its members of the best, most enthusiastic softball players in the schools and instead includes a bunch of people who (1) don't care or play about softball and (2) never will. This is why everyone thinks it's a standoff-ish, elite club.

Anonymous said...

8:47 -- is that true??? the ngsl isn't really made up of the best or most enthusiastic softball players?? then why in the hell do they join ngsl?? how lame/pathetic! it's like me joining the North Grounds Chess League, just to feel "exlcusive," even though i have little interest in chess!

i guess some people are really desperate to feel important!

J. Crew Model said...

justincredible is not cool.

Anonymous said...

7:37 -

I know this is difficult to fathom, but there are some well-rounded people at the law school. Despite what you tell yourself to help make yourself feel better, you shouldn't make assumptions based on things you don't know. Just because someone can hit a softball 200 feet doesn't mean they're not smart enough to land a job. Poor logic.

Your jealousy shows in the fact I was talking about Gus, not NGSL. Furthermore, the vast majority of NGSL 3Ls I know have jobs lined up. You seem to underestimate the power of actually being a likable, sociable person, on top of having the grades. Get over yourself.

8:31 -

Regardless, that has nothing to do with the prior argument. Most people don't play NCAA sports solely to become a professional athlete. Get real. That said, the fact they played an NCAA sport and are at a top-10 law school is far more impressive than what the majority of people can say.

Anonymous said...

Over-under comments count on NGSL poasts = 50 ...

I found this funny @ first, now notsomuch ...

But don't know who I hate more:

1) teh NGSL losers who operate under the twin misconceptions that they a) are still in college; and b) have ever been "cool"

or

2) the nerds are obsessed with the NGSL losers

Anonymous said...

Ha well said 11:16.

What happened to this blog? The job stuff and CS stuff was good info. NOw its just squabbling over stupid crap and lame youtube videos.

Anonymous said...

@7:37: Skadden does not count as V5. Also why is there not more bashing of this TTT clown for bragging about his prestigious job at Skadden that will start any year now (just not 2010).

Anonymous said...

I'm a 2L who can smash a softball and got good grades. There have also been times before law school, evidenced primarily by the fact that reasonably cute girls have elected to date me, during which I've felt cool.

Am I set for life?

Anonymous said...

I feel bad for people like 1:17 who allow themselves to be defined by others:

by who will date them,
by how their professors feel about their performance,
by how far a ball comprised of leather and twine decides to travel when 1:17 strikes it with an aluminum blunt instrument.

How sad.

How common.

How sad.

Anonymous said...

OMFG people: Live and let live. I don't see NGSL commenting on blogs about how lame non-NGSLers are, that should say enough in itself.

Anonymous said...

Which is worse? The North Grounds Softball League taking softball "too seriously" and its website "force-feeding" people "competitive softball updates," OR the North Grounds Softball League, as an autonomous student organization, being allowed to pick its own members based on its own criteria, even if they include factors that are not exclusively grounded in athletic prowess? It sounds like this organization is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't.

While it seems true that the North Grounds Softball League, were it in a competition with other softball leagues for which organization could best run a softball league, might fall short in the "Umping," "Field Maintenance," and "Not Pissing People Off" departments, that doesn't mean it doesn't provide a net benefit to UVA Law.

I don't think there is any question that UVA Law is substantially better off on the whole as a result of this organization's efforts. I'm just glad I'm not the one who has the responsibility of doing all that work, and I'm glad there are others who do take it seriously enough that they are willing to do it (even if they don't do it up to MLB standards). Any perceived social perk they feel they are getting by do such things, as far as I am concerned, they are entitled to.

OK, now whoever wants to cut me down for speaking up/ending a sentence with a preposition, have at it.

Anonymous said...

What exactly are the criteria to be chosen by the NGSL if not softball prowress? Looks? This is law school, so I guess if you halve all your teeth and limbs, that makes you "good looking," relatively speaking among law students.

Social skills? How is this evaluated exactly?

Tolerance for umping games and maintaining fields for free rather than actually having fun in law school?

Anonymous said...

11:04am -- i said "good" job, not A job.

Anonymous said...

4:04 - agreed.

taking softball too seriously > bitching about taking softball too seriously in blog comments

Anonymous said...

4:29 = NGSL commish.

Anonymous said...

Bash NGSL members all you want for taking softball too seriously. God knows I do and anyone who has seen me rage at some poor girl for not hustling or making a play knows this to be true as well. But to take aim at our intelligence and our job prospects is the biggest fucking bull shit I have ever heard. Plenty of NGSL members not only have "A" job, they have pretty "great" jobs. Also, perhaps their lives are not defined by going to a Top 10 law firm in a huge city. Perhaps some of them do not want to even be fucking big time private firm lawyers seeing as how 90% of those lawyers are fucking miserable in what they are doing anyways. Telling us we are ignorant and incapable of getting good jobs because we have or had athletic ability or prefer to socialize a little more (for better or worse) than the average person is about the most unintelligent comment I have heard coming from someone who has enough brains to get great grades and go to a Vault whatever number law firm. Have some respect for your peers and if you hate softball and NGSL, stay the fuck away from it and quit talking about it.

Anonymous said...

7:37 - "I came to law school to get a good JOB (which I have - Vault 5)"

You, sir/madam, are a miserable human being. You disgust me. It makes me want to hurl that these words could come out of your mouth, and you see nothing wrong with it. I am embarrassed for the parents who raised you. Actually, they must be horrific and abysmal people too in order to raise a genuinely repulsive person like yourself. You are an absolutely terrible person.

Anonymous said...

I think we need to focus on the REAL message, the message that started this thread: NO ONE, other than about 30 people actually in NGSL or &#*@ing NGSL players (ok and maybe the 1 guy on here who seems to have a personal vendetta against NGSL) GIVES A CRAP ABOUT NGSL. We don't care that you played on a college team. We don't care that you did or did not get a job. Most of us don't even know who the eff you people are, and frankly, resent having to deal with irritating "Ohhh UVA.. BEER AND SOFTBALL, right?" comments from coworkers because of you. Please return to studying for your finals. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Sum:

1) Some people are unwilling to believe or admit that people who are just as smart as them are also good (and not just "law school good") athletes.

2) Some other people are unwilling to believe or admit that their classmates don't care much about sports or softball.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who desperately wanted to be in NGSL and wasn't selected, please step forward.

Anonymous said...

"Most of us ... frankly, resent having to deal with irritating "Ohhh UVA.. BEER AND SOFTBALL, right?" comments"

Overgeneralize much? What sets UVA apart from other top law schools it that people actually have fun and enjoy it here. Based on attendance at bar review, Feb Club, Dandelion, etc., I'd say "most of us" feel more like that way.

And if you think that atmosphere isn't a factor in people -- smart, capable, normal people that enhance both our entering GPA/LSAT scores and our reputation as a school after they graduate -- coming here, I would argue you are dead wrong. Certainly was for me.

Anonymous said...

11:52 here. I accidentally hit the post button a bit too quick. Anyway, as I was saying:

Anyone who desperately wanted to be in NGSL and wasn't selected, please step forward so that the rest of us who were selected/did the selecting can feel better about ourselves and mock you behind your back.

- NGSL stud

Anonymous said...

I'll rephrase a comment I made earlier. I don't know who I hate more:

1) the NGSL goons and goonettes (like 12:58) who do indeed contribute a great deal to the sad anti-intellectual atmosphere/reputation @ UVA Law

... OR ...

2) the obsessive geeks who can't get over the fact that they didn't get a bid from some goonish fraternity/sorority they want *so badly* to be a part of

Anonymous said...

Here is my take on NGSL:

- 40% of people like NGSL because the organize a softball league that is fun, and couldn't care about the social organization.
- 40% of people couldn't care less because they no longer play softball.
- 10% of people are in NGSL and love their frat.
- 10% care about (read: hate) NGSL even though it has no effect on their lives.

Anonymous said...

still confused: what exactly is the criteria for being selected for ngsl? i only know a few of the members, but looks/social skills/athletic ability CANNOT be the criteria. so what is? just curious.

we all know what the criteria for law review is -- an exclusive club that is INFINITELY more valuable than ngsl. so why is ngsl so secretive?

while we're on the subject, what's the criteria for this Raven (or Robin, or some bird -- don't remember which) Society nonsense i hear so much about? Sorry, i was a yale ug, and our "secret" societies are a bit more interesting than the Blue Jay Society or whatever it's called here.

Anonymous said...

my guess would be that if you are really dying to know how people are selected for ngsl, you should ask a member directly. it's probably not that secretive.

might be more effective a method than posing the open question in the comments of an unaffiliated blog.

Anonymous said...

"the NGSL goons and goonettes (like 12:58) who do indeed contribute a great deal to the sad anti-intellectual atmosphere/reputation @ UVA Law "

To all you people who are pissed/embarrassed about UVA's "beer and softball" reputation, why the hell did you come here? It wasn't a secret? Go to fucking Chicago. So your plan was to come to the school that you KNEW had that reputation and then bitch about it for 3 years?

Anonymous said...

^It wasn't a secret!*

Anonymous said...

5:40 - Scholarship money.

Anonymous said...

Real 11:52 here. As I said, who wanted to be on NGSL and didn't make it?

-Not on NGSL, and didn't want to be.

Anonymous said...

what 11:14 said

Anonymous said...

5:40 - Figured softball dorks would be less obnoxious than Law & Econ dorks. Figured wrong.

Anonymous said...

NGSL and Obama are destroying America.

Anonymous said...

lol, 12:09

Also, first 100 comment post for UVA Law Blog?

Anonymous said...

Bush founded NGSL.

Anonymous said...

Re 7:22 --

Serious question: does anyone doubt Shrub would've been NGSL if he'd gone to UVA Law rather than HBS?

Anonymous said...

Can we get back to the crux of this article, please? The Junta should get first draft pick.

Anonymous said...

I'm a neutral party here, but I have some advice for everyone on this thread: learn how to get along. You're going to go out into the world and work with all kinds of clients and other attorneys, both at your firm and other firms as co-counsel or opposing counsel.

The extroverts will be the ones who bring in the lion's share of the client work. The introverts will do the lion's share of that work. That's the way it works at most of the firms where you all are going to practice. It's a symbiotic relationship.

No doubt it's not binary - some introverts will pull in client work and some extroverts will do that work, but that's not the way the bulk of this goes down. Some small % of the whole will have the skills/temperament to pull in work and also the skills/temperament to do that work - but you won't have the time to do both. Hence, you're back to that symbiotic relationship.

So if you're an "NGSL-hater" as described on this board, you're going to love those NGSL-types who go out and schmooze and pull in work, so that you don't have to do it. And if you're an NGSL-type and are stoking the fires of this discussion, you're going to love the posters who are doing the hating, because they'll do the work that you pull in (allowing you to get repeat business and have a firm that does the quality of work that you can sell).

One of the skills you will need most in your career is the ability to work well with - and motivate - all different types of personalities. Associating with only people who work and think just like you do isn't going to get it done for the vast majority of you. So instead of throwing barbs at each other, why not just acknowledge that you have different priorities and leave it alone. No one has to be nasty about it, and frankly, it's disheartening to read this venomous back-and-forth. It reflects poorly on all of us, regardless of where you stand on the issue of NGSL.

Rule 12 (f) said...

* Buys entire Law School copy of The Sneetches by Dr. Seuss *

* Profits *

Anonymous said...

LOL @ 8:53's earnest Rodney King screed.

Anonymous said...

8:53 -- agree with most of what you said, but strongly disagree with your premise that NGSL folks are necessarily the "extroverts" who will pull in business. Drinking and softball do not necessarily translate into developing client relationships, and to think otherwise is extremely simplistic ("i drink a lot, therefore i get along with people and will have lots of clients"). This is what the C-avg "popular" students in high school kept telling themselves -- look them up and see how that's working out for them!

I consider myself to be pretty extroverted -- was VP of my fraternity in college, played basketball my whole life, lots of extracurriculars, etc. But i wouldn't join ngsl if they begged me (they never asked, so i guess the feeling is mutual).

The ngsl folks might be equivalent to the "class clowns" in high school, but the future rainmakers are those who combine polished social skills with strong legal ability and business acumen. NGSL membership suggests NONE of these things. Neither the firm partnership committee nor the GC of IBM is not going to be impressed by the beer-drinking dolt who can hit a mean softball.

Anonymous said...

"NGSL membership suggests NONE of these things."

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Anonymous said...

If anyone really dislikes NGSL, here is my suggestion:

Step 1: Light bag of dog poop on fire outside NGSL members house.
Step 2: Ring doorbell and run
Step 3: ???????????????
Step 4: PROFIT

Rule 12 (f) said...

"Can we get back to the crux of this article, please? The Junta should get first draft pick."

truf