Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Ken Cuccinelli Has Just Sued the Federal Government

It seems like Ken Cuccinelli had just kicked-off his whole "gay people don't get protection from discrimination" campaign (NB: what he actually did was issue a letter to "Virginia’s public colleges and universities that advises them to rescind their policies banning discrimination based on sexual orientation.")

Don't think that's kept the UVA undergrad / GMU Law grad totally busy, though - Today, he sued the Federal Government to stop health-care reform:

RICHMOND -- Not five minutes after President Obama signed health-care legislation into law Tuesday, top staff members for Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II made their way out of his office, court papers in hand and TV cameras in pursuit, and headed to Richmond's federal courthouse to sue to stop the measure.

Thirteen other state attorneys general also sought to stop the health-care law Tuesday, jointly suing in Florida. But Cuccinelli (R) went his own way, arguing that a Virginia law enacted this month that prohibits the government from requiring people to buy health insurance creates an "immediate, actual controversy" between state and federal law that gives the state unique standing on which to sue.

The move was classic Cuccinelli -- bold, defiant and in-your-face, an effort to use any means at his disposal to stop what he sees as a federal government gone wild. That approach has transformed him in just a few months from being a fairly obscure state senator into a national conservative folk hero -- a tea partier with conviction and, more importantly, power.

Read more.

Will people be forced to buy insurance? Maybe not in the Commonwealth . . .

Cuccinelli Sues Federal Government to Stop Health-Care Reform Law [Washington Post]


Anonymous said...

This guy is a f-ing clown. Regardless of your position on healthcare reform, it should be pretty apparent that this suit is going nowhere. It's a publicity stunt and nothing more. Ok, in fairness, it's an utter waste of taxpayer money too.

Anonymous said...

His whole thing is a political stunt.

But what these two actions really show is he is a good Republican. The Bush legacy and the key GOP accomplishment of the last 20 years can be boiled down to two words: "hate gays." It is a sad, offensive, and fundamentally un-Christian and un-American party line.

Anonymous said...

The suit is probably going nowhere, but I agree that it is unsettling and unprecedented that the federal government will require me to purchase a private product. Of course this will raise constitutional questions, so no one should be surprised about this.

Anonymous said...


Cost of lawsuit: $350

Cost of Obamacare over 10 years (2014-2024): $2.5 trillion.

But great point nonetheless.

Anonymous said...

the real question is, why in this picture is he holding a business reply card?

Anonymous said...

Look what our tea bagging Danville friend has done now.

Anonymous said...

"Cost of Obamacare over 10 years (2014-2024): $2.5 trillion."

Cost of the Iraq War (2003-2008): $3 trillion.

Anonymous said...


The cost of law suit is not the cost the filing fees. It's the cost of the lawyers and staff at the AG's office who spend their time on this boondoggle, plus the cost of legal research services, plus the cost of any outside counsel. That's a lot of money. And when you drop that kind dough of on a suit that is 99.99% certain to produce no tangible results for anybody, I think it's pretty fair to call that a waste of money.

The issue is not comparing the cost of health care reform with the cost of a pointless lawsuit challenging it. (What, exactly, was the point of your comparison?) The issue is why the taxpayers of Virginia should have substantial amounts their money used for nothing more than letting this guy air his political views on a national stage.

But great point nonetheless.

Anonymous said...

While rather unrelated to this thread, I think that 2:18 meant to post these links.

A tea party activist posted the home address of Tom Perreillo's brother on his blog.

Police later found that the gas main to the Perriello's home had been severed.

Anonymous said...

It's true that the Perriello story is unrelated, but it should give people pause.

It's one thing to have a political disagreement with your elected representative. But when you go after his FAMILY because of it, that's pretty sick.

Anonymous said...

@ 2:28 -

The point is that it's peculiar to care about wasting tax-payer money after supporting this debacle of a budget-busting bill. If you were opposed to this bill and also opposed to the frivolous lawsuit (certainly a possibility) then I take it back.

Anonymous said...

@ 4:24

It's likewise peculiar to care about wasting taxpayer money (on HCR) after supporting the debacle of a budget-busting $3 trillion war fought under false pretenses. If you were opposed to the Iraq racket and also opposed to HCR (certainly a possibility) then I take it back.

Anonymous said...

6:24, a non-negligible group of conservatives were opposed to the Iraq War. People who are fiscally conservative should be opposed to both the Iraq War & Obamacare.

Anonymous said...

Hi 2:26,

I'm curious how spending a lot of money on a pointless war somehow justifies spending a lot of money on yet another entitlement program?

Anonymous said...

why do americans keep voting for people who spend all of our money on stupid shit?

Anonymous said...

"I'm curious how spending a lot of money on a pointless war somehow justifies spending a lot of money on yet another entitlement program?"

Well, the profiteers who got rich off that war (are still getting rich off that war) might take issue with your description of it as "pointless."

Others might take issue with your description of a deficit reducing plan to set up large-pooled insurance exchanges to compete with the corrupt industries that have captured HC regulation as "spending a lot of money" on another "entitlement" program.

In short, drop the euphemisms.

Anonymous said...

Over/under on 50 for the number of House Democrats reelected.

Anonymous said...

to 3:30 and rest of GOP:

If you think at this point the GOP are helping you are wrong. Look at what Frum and others are saying: this bill passed! The republicans lost! What major domestic program did the country get from those years of GOP majorities and white house control? Nothing! What about the budget? Got much much worse!

At this point Dems are reenergized by their success and by opposing the explicit racism and hated in the republican party. From the NYTimes on Republican protesters:

"Protesters outside the Capitol on Saturday called two black congressmen, the civil rights hero John Lewis of Georgia and Andre Carson of Indiana, a racial epithet as they walked by. Another, Representative Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri, was called that epithet and got spit on. Barney Frank of Massachusetts was called an anti-gay slur. The anti-abortion Democrat Bart Stupak was called a “baby killer” by Texas Republican Representative Randy Neugebauer, who says he’s had a “tremendous outpouring” of support for his outburst."

Anonymous said...

9:25, go hop around in a circle and sing kumba-ya. Hippie. Your "re-energized" base will continue until people realize unemployment is still around 10% with no end in sight. People care about the economy, 80% of Americans are satisfied with their current health care.

Anonymous said...

9:25 - Just for the record, the claim of racial epithets spewed at Lewis was a lie.

First, if you read the original news accounts, Lewis never even claimed it; one of his aides said he heard people loudly chanting the n-word at him when he left the Rayburn office building.

No reporters heard it, and clear audio of the exact time that he was walking out of the building shows that there was extensive booing and shouts of "kill the bill", but no one was shouting anything racial.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of the tea partiers are acting like children (see Tom Perriello situation & "baby killer" shout). But Lewis is full of it.

Anonymous said...

Focusing on the Teabaggers is dumb strategy for supporters of this bill.

Better to focus on what the bill does (what insurance companies will no longer be able to do, why costs for HC are so high and whether the market is being manipulated) and why the GOP criticisms should be regarded as bullshit (how beholden they are to corporate interests, why their fiscal analysis and mgmt should not be trusted given their history of bankrupting the country and "redistributing" wealth to their corporate friends, how hypocritical their "but the CHILDREN" cries are in light of their thievery, and how hypocritical their "SAVE MEDICARE" schtick is)...

Anonymous said...

10:46 - Honestly? If there isn't YouTube video of something, it never happened?

Even if you accept that dubious premise, your evidence still doesn't show what you say it does. McClatchy reported that the incident occurred when Lewis "was leaving the Cannon office building across from the Capitol," i.e. walking *from* the House office building on his way *to* the Capitol.

Now take another look at the video on the link you provided. See that big white building with the dome on top of it? The video clearly shows that Lewis et al. are walking *away* from the Capitol and *toward* the Cannon building.

I know this is hard, but try to follow me. The video doesn't capture the "exact time that he was walking out of the building." Not even close. It's a video of a completely different point in time. The incident reportedly occurred when Lewis was walking over to the Capitol. Later, when he returned via the same route, someone made the video that you find posted on YouTube. That video isn't proof; it's being used as propaganda.

Of course, none of this proves Lewis was telling the truth, either--but you're just going to have to accept that it's a credibility call, rather than present fake evidence that's supposed to prove Lewis is "full of it."

Anonymous said...

Do you think the Founders thought government should be able to compel people to buy health insurance or be punished if they failed to do so? If no, at what point did the government assume the power to so do?

Anonymous said...


Politician Ken Cuccinelli is doing something political.


Anonymous said...

@ 12:20

Andrew Breitbart offers 10 grand to anyone who can provide audio or video of one of the "countless chants" of the N word allegedly directed at Lewis.

With hundreds of media people and thousands of cell phones + cameras, someone should have it, right?

Anonymous said...

I'm with you, 7:50, and with the noted public intellectual Andrew Breitbart.

I for one cannot imagine that these people would ever let a racist or homophobic word pass their patriotic Christian lips.

Anonymous said...

7:50 - So fact that the n-word incident wasn't captured in a single 20-second YouTube clip is irrefutable proof that it never happened?

But let's accept your logic. There were "hundreds of media people and thousands of cell phones + cameras." Obviously, with such an unprecedented concentration of recording devices at a single event, every second of Sunday must have been captured with documentary clarity from every possible perspective, not to mention crystal-clear audio. That means that you could assemble a comprehensive record of that day, from start to finish, using only the copious video record posted to YouTube.

Clearly, you should be able to find the exact moment when the n-word incident allegedly happened. If you're not sure of the exact time, just piece together a continuous series of videos illustrating the entire procession, from the second Lewis stepped outside to the time he arrived at the Capitol. Show us the videos! Prove it didn't happen!

To make it worth your while, I'll one-up Andrew Breitbart: I'll give you $20 grand. It should be easy, right? I mean, there were all those cameras and media people, weren't there?