Wednesday, April 14, 2010

So UVA is # 10 in the New Rankings

But at least we're not tied for 10th anymore.  We're a legit top ten school, baby.

Let us be reminded of what Tom Wolfe - author of the great classic I am Charlotte Simmons and graduate of the third most excellent school in the Commonwealth - had to say about the US News & World Report rankings:
US News & World Report - what a stupid joke!  Here is a third-rate news weekly, aimed at businessmen who don't like to read, trying desperately to move up in the race but forever swallowing the dust of Time and Newsweek.  Let's stir up a fuss!  Pretty soon all of American higher education is jumping through hoops to meet the standards of a marketing department of a miserable, low-brow magazine out of Washington, D.C.!  Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford . . . all jumped through the hoop at the crack of the U.S. News whip. 

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26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Her entire self now consisted of his tongue inside her mouth and the oscillating groin joint.

Anonymous said...

we made eye contact several times last night in the law library campus. both at tables by ourselves. you had on a white Adidas jersey.

tell me what floor you were on and let's meet up

Anonymous said...

I have seen you before on occasion at the NG Gym and have noticed you looking my way before. I ran into you tonight around 8:00 or so, and you walked out in front of me to your car in the parking lot. You waited for a minute after pulling out of your spot.

Let me know what kind of car you drove so I know it is you.

uva3lotdlofwngsl said...

Jetta, murdered out windows

Anonymous said...

we must increase our commitment to wgwag if we are to hold our own next year

Anonymous said...

We would make a jump in the rankings if we did the following:

1.) Abolished NGSL.

2.) Stopped letting in so many in-state kids, they are killing our median GPA and LSAT (Admittedly this is the fault of the state legislature that requires us to take 40% in-state).

Anonymous said...

Wait, how different are the numbers for in-state? I thought it was pretty well accepted that admission was no easier for in-staters.

Anonymous said...

2:04 -- False. Not saying NGSL is the ultimate cause of it, but I came here in large part due to the collegial/laid-back/yes, beer and softball reputation. I'm >75% LSAT and GPA and probably could've gone lots of other places, but I didn't apply anywhere more highly ranked b/c I wanted to go somewhere I'd actually enjoy. I'm sure I'm not alone.

I'm not sure you are correct about the in-staters bringing down the LSAT/GPA -- I've suspected that, but Dean Trujillo was quoted somewhere saying that isn't true. Remember: All those "worked a year in DC after college" people from your 1L section are considered "in-state." Perhaps a widely-read law school blog should file a state FOIA request for the IS/OOS medians and find out.

Assuming the rankings are correct, it isn't student quality that brings us down (which is saying something given the large size of our entering class). And it sure as shit isn't lawyer/judge average, where we're tied for FOURTH. (Seems like that should be more heavily weighted, right?)

Get right down to it, our real shortcomings are in student/faculty ratio and peer (law prof) ranking. To improve those, we need to hire more professors, especially more top lateral hires. But we can't do that without more money, and the steady drumbeat around here to stop raising tuition... well, it's not exactly helping. Regression analysis has shown that US News rankings are strongly correlated with per-student expenditures; where do you suppose those "expenditures" come from?

Anonymous said...

The only surefire way to boost are rankings is to spend more money. There is a great study here that discusses how expenditures per student is what really drives the law school rankings. It makes particularly note of how UVA's low expenditure per student drags the overall ranking down. I think i said this last year at rankings time (on this very blog's comments page) - the best thing UVA could do is jack up tuition and give every single student a corresponding scholarship for the difference between a standard increase and the actual increase. This would lead to a big jump in expenditures per student, and a nice pop in the rankings. It's 100% gaming the system, but the system is a joke, so why not?

In response to 2:04's second point, I don't think the 40% number is a hard requirement. First of all, the Law School is really a much closer to being a private non-profit closely affiliated with a state university than a true public institution. The only funding the Law School gets from the state is 5,000 per in state student (this is way instate tuition is exactly 5,000 below out of state). This is, in substance, almost the exact same deal the state has with private universities, like U of Richmond and Washington & Lee, that enroll instate students (the program is called VTAG, it applies to undergraduate and medical/health sciences graduate school programs). Given the minuscule amount of money we're talking, and the fact that it's on a per in state student basis, I would be very surprised if the Law School is truly bound by a 40% instate requirement. Note also the wishy-washy language on the admissions page "As a public law school, 40 percent of the places in our student body are historically reserved for residents of the Commonwealth of Virginia." To me that says "we do our best to take 40%, but have no real obligation to do so."

I suspect that there is a lot of room for play in the instate portion of the class depending on the applicant pool.

Then again, could be wrong. Anybody know for sure?

Anonymous said...

ah yes, that infamous "NGSL" component to the rankings. dragging down UVA's composite score since 1976!

Anonymous said...

"Not saying NGSL is the ultimate cause of it, but I came here in large part due to the collegial/laid-back/yes, beer and softball reputation."

umm... NGSL is anything but collegial and laid-back. If that is the attitude you think UVa should sell, then you should support abolishing that insular remnant of middle school cliques.

NGSL Alpha Secure said...

You ungrateful little peons.

This school would be nothing if not for ALPHA studs like me who give this school a reputation for not being filled with wussy little BETA losers like Duke or Michigan or NYU.

Think for a second about that nasaly little loser in your civ pro class. Now imagine if the men at UVa were all like that nerd... because that's what it's like at other schools that are not graced with the presence of ALPHA adonises like myself and my softball playing compadres.

Keep up the whining you anonymous weak BETA wannabees because one of these days STUDS like me are going to give up on this place and start enrolling somewhere with less insecure sissy boys who get their knickers in a bunch because they can't compete with those of us ALPHAs.

When that happens, UVa will be just another also-ran stttate school.

Consider yourself warned UVa.

Anonymous said...

UVA is collegial and laid-back. Much like 2:09, that culture played a large part in my decision to come here. I think 1L softball actually does have a lot to do with building that collegiality - creates team spirit, it's a good ice-breaker with your section mates, etc.

But beyond running 1L softball, I don't really think NGSL has any impact on the culture of this place (positive or negative). For all the attention thy get in this comments section they're pretty fucking irrelevant.

Anonymous said...

These rankings are stupid. If the ABA would just stop publishing LSAT and GPA scores, it would prevent USNews from compiling their dumb list. Everyone agrees that the list is retarded. Why not just make the information private. What is the advantage to compiling and publishing a list of lsat and gpa statistics for schools?

NGSL Alpha Secure said...

You know what's pretty irrelevant?

BETA losers like you 3:17. Because at this school, it's the ALPHA Hercules-look alikes that matter. The rest of you are just window dressing.

Anonymous said...

40% in state not required. really just a courtesy.

Anonymous said...

2:37 has it exactly correct. We get screwed because we don't spend tons of money per student. It's a ridiculous system.

Anonymous said...

ALPHA, your schtick is getting old.

Anonymous said...

ALPHA SECURE: where are you working when you graduate?

You remind me of Al Bundy, except Al actually rested on real laurels, unlike you who likely played IM softball at Arizona State.

Anonymous said...

4:51 and others saying 40% isn't required -- got a source? The Law School has a special agreement with UVA that gives us financial independence; it would not surprise me a bit if part of the consideration for that agreement is the 40% thing. I'm sure the Legislature wouldn't have let the Law School go free without some sort of assurance that it remain the "state" school in some key ways.

Anonymous said...

wtf.. hahahaha

Anonymous said...

Didn't everyone already know that we get screwed in the US News rankings? All large schools are punished because of the student-faculty ratio weighting, yield rate, and expenditure per student. There aren't any categories where larger schools benefit.

Look at last year's rankings and compare our stats to Duke. We are ahead in LSAT, GPA, Peer Assessment Scores, Practitioner Assessment and bar passage rate. Duke had a 0.6% difference in employment at graduation and a lower faculty-student ratio. UVA beat Duke in every non-bs category and still was tied with Duke based upon the factors that aren't shown such as expenditures per student.

Anonymous said...

Nice job to Duke on their 100% employment rate. Apparently being paid to write undergrad papers for the basketball team counts as "employed" now.

Ivy Gardens Delta Secure said...

please bring back that girl who wrote those really bad weekly columns about her life.

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